LISTEN TO THIS ONE. Dr. Jaco Hamman is a South African apartheid draft dodger turned American academic.
Aside from running a PhD program for pastoral care and psychotherapy at Vanderbilt, he's written books about how we deal with technology, how we handle change and loss, how the Millennial experience lines up with the book of Joel, and a bunch of others.
I learned so much from this conversation and I'm sure you will, too. This was a complete joy and I can't wait for you to hear it.